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sales@nationalpolyindustries.com.au
date
Jul 9, 2008
Recycling spent poly tanks
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I am doing some research on recycling of spent poly tanks and was wondering if you could direct me to the source of your website statement "The manufacturing process....and the material can by recycled".(Why buy poly tanks?)
Thanks
Don Matthews
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No reply. Try another approach
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from Don Matthews
to sales@nationalpolyindustries.com.au
Sep 30, 2008 5:10 PM
Recycling spent poly tank
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Dear National Poly Industries,
I notice you manufacture poly rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me.I am wanting to buy a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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from Don Matthews
to sales@nationalpolyindustries.com.au
Oct 13, 2008 4:04 PM
subject Re: Recycling spent poly tank
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Could you please respond to my email
Thanks
Don Matthews
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from Michael Peters
to
Oct 17, 2008 9:59 AM
National Poly Industries - Answer to your question
Good Morning Don,
To answer you question, Yes our tanks can be recycled. Here at National Poly Industries from time to time we get tanks that don’t form properly or may have been under cooked. If this happens we simply cut the tank up into small manageable pieces and they are then collected by a recycling company in Brisbane you use then to make toy boxes, milk crates and so on.
I hope this has answered your question.
If you would like any further information please feel free to contact me directly on 41313416 or by reply email.
Thanks
Michael Peters
Internal Sales
National Poly Industries
Toll Free 1800 644 750
Direct (07) 4131 3416
Fax (07) 4155 2088
Email michaelpeters@polyindustries.com
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from Don Matthews
to Michael Peters
Oct 21, 2008 3:40 PM
Re: National Poly Industries - Answer to your question
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Dear Michael,
Thankyou for getting back to me about recycling spent poly tanks but I am puzzled as to why you are talking about " tanks that don't form properly or may have been under cooked" when I was asking about recycling a tank which "eventually is broken down by sunlight". In the not-too-distant future millions of brittle UV-degraded tanks are going to be sitting around waiting to be disposed of. Is how to recycle spent plastic all very much an unknown at the moment?
Don Matthews
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from Michael Peters
to Don Matthews
Oct 22, 2008
RE: National Poly Industries - Answer to your question
Good Morning Don,
Sorry about the delayed reply.
I have been away for the last few days. In short the answer to your question is yes.
Once a poly tank has lasted it’s lifetime the material can be recycled into other non food grade products eg. Milk crates. There are several companies in Australia that can recycle polyethelene products.
I hope that this has answered your question.
Thanks
Michael Peters
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from Don Matthews
to Michael Peters
Re: National Poly Industries - Answer to your question
22 Oct 2008
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Dear Michael.
Thanks for your reply but I am having a problem with your statement "In short the answer to your question is yes. Once a poly tank has lasted it's lifetime the material can be recycled into other non food grade products". I have some further questions. Perhaps you can help me sort this out?
Sunlight eventually breaks down plastic making it brittle and lose all its strength. The long-chain polymer molecules which allow plastic to be moulded and give it its strength and rigidity are ruptured by UV light and no amount of added UV stabilizers will eventually prevent this chemical degradation process from occurring. Essentially the plastic disintegrates and loses all its properties. As a result I don't see how it is possible to then remould it into other products. Is the correct? (QUESTION 1)
Would I be correct in saying that any current recycling of polyethylene only involves clean plastic such as factory scraps, seconds etc and not fully UV degraded spent plastic ? (QUESTION 2)
If I am not correct (and I am more than happy to be put right on this) and fully UV degraded plastic is actually being remoulded what evidence is there to support this? What process is being used and what products is the spent plastic being turned into? (QUESTION 3)
Why I am concerned is that in the not-too-distant future millions of spent tanks will be lying around waiting to be disposed of. If the problem of their recycling is not resolved we are likely to have a major environmental pollution problem on our hands.
Could you please respond to these three questions or pass them on to anyone in your organisation who can, or alternatively direct me to someone who can.
Thanks
Don Matthews
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from Joe Rostas
to
Oct 23, 2008
subject poly tanks
Good morning Don,
Sorry that no one got back to you sooner to answer your question. Poly tanks are environmentally responsible. Our tanks are made from virgin food grade polyethylene. At the end of its service life perhaps 20-30 years +, it will be a high value recyclable material. In addition to that there is no pollution and no water used during their malefactor. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me.
kind Regards
Joe Rostas
National Poly Industries
89 Childers Road BUNDABERG QLD 4670
P 07 4131 3400
M 0408 763 971
D 07 4131 3406
E joerostas@polyindustries.com
W http://www.nationalpolyindustries.com.au/
F 074155 2088
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from Don Matthews
to Joe Rostas
Oct 23, 2008
subject Re: poly tanks
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Hello Joe,
Thankyou for getting in touch about recycling spent poly tanks.
I am wondering which email are you responding to? (I have sent several and been communicating with a Michael Peters before). What position do you hold in National Poly Industries? (you have not identified any position)
Regards
Don Matthews
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Joe Rostas
to
Oct 24, 2008
: Recycling spent poly tank
Hello Don,
Michael is away so I'm covering for him. If you want, let me know what area you live in and I'll send you some prices on our tanks.
Thanks
Joe Rostas
Business Developer - distribution.
National Poly Industries
89 Childers Road BUNDABERG QLD 4670
P 07 4131 3400
M 0408 763 971
D 07 4131 3406
E joerostas@polyindustries.com
W http://www.nationalpolyindustries.com.au/
F 074155 2088
From: Don Matthews [mailto:donmatthews7@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 10:31 AMTo: bundypolyind@optusnet.com.auSubject: Recycling spent poly tank
Dear Bundaberg Poly Industries,
Would you please respond to my email below.
Don Matthews
from Don Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
to bundypolyind@optusnet.com.au
Oct 16, 2008
subject recycling spent poly tank
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Dear Bundaberg Poly Industries,
I notice you manufacture poly rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me.I am wanting to buy a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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from Don Matthews
to Joe Rostas
cc Leisa Donlan
date
Oct 24, 2008
Re: Recycling spent poly tank
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Hi Joe,
I have just put the pieces together and now see that Bundaberg Poly Industies is part of National Poly Industries.
I am seeking answers to the following questions. If you are unable to provide the answers could you please pass this email on to someone in your organization who can. Please let me know what action you have taken.
Thanks,
Don
Sunlight eventually breaks down plastic making it brittle and lose all its strength. The long-chain polymer molecules which allow plastic to be moulded and give it its strength and rigidity are ruptured by UV light. No amount of added UV stabilizers will prevent the chemical degradation process from occurring. Essentially the plastic disintegrates and loses all its properties. As a result I don't see how it is possible to then remould it into other products. Is the correct?
QUESTION 2
Would I be correct in saying that polyethylene plastic currently being recycled is only clean plastic such as factory scraps, seconds etc and not fully UV degraded (spent) plastic ?
QUESTION 3
If I am not correct (and I am more than happy to be put right) and fully UV degraded plastic is actually being remoulded what evidence is there to support this? What process is being used and what products is the spent plastic being turned into?
I would appreciate answers the above questions,
Don Matthews
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from Joe Rostas
to donmatthews7@gmail.com
Oct 24, 2008
from JoeRostas@polyindustries.com
Hello Don,
We are in the business of making and selling rainwater tanks.We are not a scientific advisory service. Please do not send anymore emails.go online There are
plenty of other tank companies that would be happy to deal with you.
good bye
Joe Rostas
National Poly Industries
89 Childers Road BUNDABERG QLD 4670
P 07 4131 3400
M 0408 763 971
D 07 4131 3406
E joerostas@polyindustries.com
W www.nationalpolyindustries
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from Don Matthews
to sales@nationalpolyindustries.com.au
Oct 27, 2008
subject Request for information
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Could you please let me know the name and email address for thr Managing Director of National Poly Industries
Thanks
Don Matthews
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from Don Matthews
to sales@nationalpolyindustries.com.au
Oct 29, 2008
subject Request for information
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Could you please respond to my email request.
Don Matthews
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from Don Matthews
to sales@nationalpolyindustries.com.au
cc Leisa Donlan
Joe Rostas
Michael Peters
Nov 4, 2008 4:43 PM
subject Hello.... is anybody home?
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Dear National Poly Industries,
I have been receiving reports from recipients that their servers are having problems and losing my emails. Perhaps you are experiencing the same problem?
I have tried on two occasions to get information without sucess (below). Does anyone happen to know the name and address of the Managing Director? I would like to ask him/her a few questions.
Thanks
Don Matthews
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from Don Matthews
to Joe Rostas
cc ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com,
Michael Peters
Nov 10, 2008 2:10 PM
subject Dear Joe don't worry
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Dear Joe
Don't worry if you don't know the name of your Managing Director. I can get my boys from triple M to ferret this out. Mind you I don't always agree with their tactics but they seem to always come up with the goods so guess I can't complain.
Need to ask some questions
Thanks anyhow
Don
On 4 Nov I wrote to no avail:
To: sales@nationalpolyindustries
date 4 Nov 2008
Subject: Hello... is anyone home?
cc Joe Rostas (NPI)
Michael Peters(NPI)
Lisa Donlan(ARMA)
Dear National Poly Industries,
>
>I have been receiving reports from recipients that their servers are having
>problems and losing my emails. Perhaps you are experiencing the same problem?
>
>I have tried on two occasions to get information without success . Does
>anyone happen to know the name and address of the Managing Director? I would
>like to ask him/her a few questions.
>
>Thanks
>
>Don Matthews
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from Don Matthews
to Joe Rostas
cc Leisa Donlan
Nov 17, 2008 3:23 PM
Re:
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To: Joe Rostas Business Developer - distribution (National Poly Industries)
Dear Joe,
I wish to respond to your email of 24 Oct reproduced below :
Hello Don,
We are in the business of making and selling rainwater tanks.We are not a scientific advisory service. Please do not send anymore emails.go online There are
plenty of other tank companies that would be happy to deal with you.
good bye
Joe Rostas
National Poly Industries
While you may be in the business of making and selling tanks you also have the responsibilty of ensuring the tanks NPI is putting into the environment are efficiently recycled of at the end of their life.
I have asked for evidence to support your claim that UV-degraded (spent) tanks can be recycled but you do not seem to be able to provide any.
I do not know where you sit in the company but I have asked for the name of your Managing Director on numerous occasions, from yourself and others, including your association ARMA. Each time I have been ignored. From this I conclude no-one wants me asking questions and that the Managing Director is not prepared to come out and discuss an issue which is of environmental concern to many Australians.
I will therefore have to take your response to be the official response of National Poly Industies. i.e.
1. Despite claiming UV-degraded (spent) tanks can be recycled NPI have been unable to supply any evidence to support this or direct me to any specific research being carried out in this area.
2. I have been asked to go away and find the evidence for myself and to not communicate anymore.
3. The Managing Director of National Poly Industries is not prepared to come out and discuss the matter.
Your response will be included in my report into the current state of recycling UV-degraded (spent) poly tanks in Australia, due to be published in the new year.
Thankyou for your assistance with my research project.
Don Matthews
APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
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