From: Don Matthews [mailto:donmatthews7@gmail.com] 6 March 2009 To: sclarke@egr.com.auCc: Leisa Donlan
Subject: don matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MD
From Don Matthews APTCIG
To: Stephen Clarke General Manager EGR Water
Dear Stephen,
I seem to be having trouble getting through to the top. I wish to communicate direct with the Managing Director of EGR. Could you please ask them to touch base.
Thanks
Don Matthews
Leader APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
"an edgy group with an edgy leader"
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Why I'm having trouble getting to the top
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27 Aug 2008
Leisa,
Do you have an email address for egr water ? Can't find it on their website.
Don
No response
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Dec 17 2008
To: Leisa Donlan CEO Association of Rotational Moulders Australasia
From: Don Matthews APTCIG
Leisa,
Please email names and email addresses for Managing Directors of the following manufacturers. I wish to ask some serious questions on recycling.
National Poly Industries
Ozpoly
EGR Water
If you choose not to release this information without a valid reason I will interpret your actions as a deliberate attempt to block my investigations into industry 'recycling' claims and will make every effort to make my view widely known.
Don Matthews
APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
"seeking honest answers to open and honest questions"
No response. I am now proceeding to make my view widely known.
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from ARMA Reception <webmasta@rotationalmoulding.com>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
Mar 6, 2009 RE: don matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MD
Dear Stephen
This gentleman is currently involved in legal action with the Association. We strongly recommend you do not reply to him. He is in the habit of publishing edited versions of responses on his blog site. http://thegreataustralianpolytankdebate.blogspot.com/
Best regards
Leisa Donlan
CEO
Association of Rotational Moulders Australasia Inc.
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>toARMA Reception <webmasta@rotationalmoulding.com>
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>,sclarke@egr.com.au
Mar 6, 2009 subject Re: don matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MD
Copy to: undisclosed recipients
Dear ARMA reception webmasta,
It appears you have sent me ( whoever you may be) a copy of an email Leisa sent to Stephen. There was no cc.donmatthews7@gmail.com so perhaps it was a slipup?
Anyhow.
Now I've got it I might as well bip in my bit.
Interesting move Leisa. Luck has it I think I can make some mileage, sorry, kilometreage, out this one. Will give it to my boys at 'triple m' to play around with. They're good at coming up with 'interesting' counter-moves. Will be back shortly with my countermove.
Cheers,
Don
PS Stephen - how you move is up to you. I have no issue with you. All you need to do is pass my message on to the MD and email me back that you have done so. In this way you will be protecting yourself by not becoming involved. Leisa has given good advice in your not passing any opinion or blocking my moves. Just email me back to say you have passed on my message to the MD and I cannot touch you. I hope you follow my reasoning Don
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Thursday, March 5, 2009
Wednesday, March 4, 2009
POLLY TO MR DIXON TEAMPOLY
Polly to Mr Dixon Teampoly- rules of the debate
From: APTCIG HQ
To: Richie Dixon Managing Director Teampoly
Dear Mr Dixon,
My apologies for setting you up in a debate without giving you any idea of how the Debate is going to work. We have been so busy here at APTCIG HQ preparing our Peoples Court to do battle with your Association leader's Court of Law challenge that it completely slipped my mind. My apologies again.
The Debate is going to work like this:
All debaters must communicate through the Central Administrator (me). So, our leader Mr Matthews has challenged you with a question (twice it so appears) so now you must respond directly back to him. My job as Debate Adjudicator is to see the all the Rules of the Debate are followed (which reminds me I must get a list of rules together and distribute or there'll other debaters in a tizz wondering what to do).
Posted comments are reserved for the audience only and can be from any silly identifier like 'easily frustrated with idiots' or even 'anonymous'. You must come out into the open and meet your debater face to face. You cannot hide behind anonymity and hope to get away with it, not that I think you would of course.
The gathering audience is waiting for your response Mr Dixon. Please don't make them wait too long. They have a lot of other debates our leader is lining up they will be wanting to go to as well.
Yours in adjudicology,
Polly F Leen (Miss) ,BAdj U of M
Debate Adjudicator(cum APTCIG secretary)
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From: APTCIG HQ
To: Richie Dixon Managing Director Teampoly
Dear Mr Dixon,
My apologies for setting you up in a debate without giving you any idea of how the Debate is going to work. We have been so busy here at APTCIG HQ preparing our Peoples Court to do battle with your Association leader's Court of Law challenge that it completely slipped my mind. My apologies again.
The Debate is going to work like this:
All debaters must communicate through the Central Administrator (me). So, our leader Mr Matthews has challenged you with a question (twice it so appears) so now you must respond directly back to him. My job as Debate Adjudicator is to see the all the Rules of the Debate are followed (which reminds me I must get a list of rules together and distribute or there'll other debaters in a tizz wondering what to do).
Posted comments are reserved for the audience only and can be from any silly identifier like 'easily frustrated with idiots' or even 'anonymous'. You must come out into the open and meet your debater face to face. You cannot hide behind anonymity and hope to get away with it, not that I think you would of course.
The gathering audience is waiting for your response Mr Dixon. Please don't make them wait too long. They have a lot of other debates our leader is lining up they will be wanting to go to as well.
Yours in adjudicology,
Polly F Leen (Miss) ,BAdj U of M
Debate Adjudicator(cum APTCIG secretary)
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EGR Water
Manufacturer
Tullamarine VIC (rotational moulding division)
Carole Park, QLD
Chipping Norton NSW
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>towhynes@egr.com.au
Thu, Mar 5, 2009 subject EGR MD details request mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Wayne,
Could you please give me the name and email address of EGR's Managing Director.
Thanks
Don Matthews
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fromHynes, Wayne <whynes@egr.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
cc"Clarke, Stephen" <sclarke@egr.com.au>
Mar 5, 2009 RE: EGR MD details request mailed-by egr.com.au
Hi Don,
Please advise the nature of your enquiry so that we can assist.
Regards
Wayne
WAYNE HYNES
State Sales Manager
Rotational Moulding Division
106-110 Lambeck Drive, Tullamarine, Melbourne, Victoria 3043 Australia
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>to"Hynes, Wayne" <whynes@egr.com.au>
Thu, Mar 5, 2009 Re: EGR MD details request mailed-bygmail.com
Just a simple request for name and email address. Is there a problem with this?
Don
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fromHynes, Wayne <whynes@egr.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
dateThu, Mar 5, 2009 : EGR MD details requestmailed-byegr.com.au
Hi Don,
I don't have the authority to give this information. Stephen Clarke is the General Manager and I suggest you contact him sclarke@egr.com.au
Regards
Wayne
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Don Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>to"Hynes, Wayne" <whynes@egr.com.au>
Mar 5, 2009 : EGR MD details requestmailed-bygmail.com
Hi Wayne,
That's OK. If I want to communicate with the top person in EGR is it the Managing Director I need? Where, as General Manager, is Stephen in the organisation? Maybe he is high enough?
Don
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fromHynes, Wayne <whynes@egr.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
cc"Clarke, Stephen" <sclarke@egr.com.au>
Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:03 RE: EGR MD details request mailed-byegr.com.au
Hi Don
please make contact with Stephen Clarke. He is waiting for your communication.
Stephen reports to the MD.
Regards
Wayne
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosclarke@egr.com.au
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>
Mar 6, 2009 don matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MD mailed-bygmail.com
From Don Matthews APTCIG
To: Stephen Clarke General Manager EGR Water
Dear Stephen,
I seem to be having trouble getting through to the top. I wish to communicate direct with the Managing Director of EGR. Could you please ask them to touch base.
Thanks
Don Matthews
Leader APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
"an edgy group with an edgy leader"
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ARMA Reception <webmasta@rotationalmoulding.com> wrote:
Dear Stephen
This gentleman is currently involved in legal action with the Association. We strongly recommend you do not reply to him. He is in the habit of publishing edited versions of responses on his blog site. http://thegreataustralianpolytankdebate.blogspot.com/
Best regards
Leisa Donlan
CEO Association of Rotational Moulders Australasia Inc
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>toARMA Reception <webmasta@rotationalmoulding.com>
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>,sclarke@egr.com.au
Mar 6, 2009 subjectdon matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MDmailed-bygmail.com
Copy to: undisclosed recipients
Dear ARMA reception webmasta,
It appears you have sent me ( whoever you may be) a copy of an email Leisa sent to Stephen. There was no cc.donmatthews7@gmail.com so perhaps it was a slipup?
Stephen - how you move is up to you. I have no issue with you. All you need to do is pass my message on to the MD and email me back that you have done so. In this way you will be protecting yourself by not becoming involved. Leisa has given good advice in your not passing any opinion or blocking my moves. Just email me back to say you have passed on my message to the MD and I cannot touch you. I hope you follow my reasoning Don
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosclarke@egr.com.au
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>,"trent. farleigh" <Trent.Farleigh@vanglobe.com.au> Mar 10, 2009 subject don matthews to stephen clarke mailed-bygmail.com
From: Don Matthews APTCIG
To: Stephen Clarke General Manager EGR Water
Dear Stephen,
I have not received confirmation back from you that my email has been forwarded on to your Managing Director. I will wait until close of business on Thursday 12 March. If I have not heard back by then I will interpret your actions as trying to block my investigations into industry recycling claims and include your name along with Leisa Donlan and Trent Farleigh and circulate widely.
Don Matthews
APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
"seeking open and honest answers to open and honest questions"
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Tullamarine VIC (rotational moulding division)
Carole Park, QLD
Chipping Norton NSW
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>towhynes@egr.com.au
Thu, Mar 5, 2009 subject EGR MD details request mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Wayne,
Could you please give me the name and email address of EGR's Managing Director.
Thanks
Don Matthews
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fromHynes, Wayne <whynes@egr.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
cc"Clarke, Stephen" <sclarke@egr.com.au>
Mar 5, 2009 RE: EGR MD details request mailed-by egr.com.au
Hi Don,
Please advise the nature of your enquiry so that we can assist.
Regards
Wayne
WAYNE HYNES
State Sales Manager
Rotational Moulding Division
106-110 Lambeck Drive, Tullamarine, Melbourne, Victoria 3043 Australia
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>to"Hynes, Wayne" <whynes@egr.com.au>
Thu, Mar 5, 2009 Re: EGR MD details request mailed-bygmail.com
Just a simple request for name and email address. Is there a problem with this?
Don
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fromHynes, Wayne <whynes@egr.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
dateThu, Mar 5, 2009 : EGR MD details requestmailed-byegr.com.au
Hi Don,
I don't have the authority to give this information. Stephen Clarke is the General Manager and I suggest you contact him sclarke@egr.com.au
Regards
Wayne
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Don Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>to"Hynes, Wayne" <whynes@egr.com.au>
Mar 5, 2009 : EGR MD details requestmailed-bygmail.com
Hi Wayne,
That's OK. If I want to communicate with the top person in EGR is it the Managing Director I need? Where, as General Manager, is Stephen in the organisation? Maybe he is high enough?
Don
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fromHynes, Wayne <whynes@egr.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
cc"Clarke, Stephen" <sclarke@egr.com.au>
Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:03 RE: EGR MD details request mailed-byegr.com.au
Hi Don
please make contact with Stephen Clarke. He is waiting for your communication.
Stephen reports to the MD.
Regards
Wayne
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosclarke@egr.com.au
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>
Mar 6, 2009 don matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MD mailed-bygmail.com
From Don Matthews APTCIG
To: Stephen Clarke General Manager EGR Water
Dear Stephen,
I seem to be having trouble getting through to the top. I wish to communicate direct with the Managing Director of EGR. Could you please ask them to touch base.
Thanks
Don Matthews
Leader APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
"an edgy group with an edgy leader"
---------------------------------------------
ARMA Reception <webmasta@rotationalmoulding.com> wrote:
Dear Stephen
This gentleman is currently involved in legal action with the Association. We strongly recommend you do not reply to him. He is in the habit of publishing edited versions of responses on his blog site. http://thegreataustralianpolytankdebate.blogspot.com/
Best regards
Leisa Donlan
CEO Association of Rotational Moulders Australasia Inc
---------------------------------------------
fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>toARMA Reception <webmasta@rotationalmoulding.com>
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>,sclarke@egr.com.au
Mar 6, 2009 subjectdon matthews to stephen clarke - I wish to communicate direct with the MDmailed-bygmail.com
Copy to: undisclosed recipients
Dear ARMA reception webmasta,
It appears you have sent me ( whoever you may be) a copy of an email Leisa sent to Stephen. There was no cc.donmatthews7@gmail.com so perhaps it was a slipup?
Stephen - how you move is up to you. I have no issue with you. All you need to do is pass my message on to the MD and email me back that you have done so. In this way you will be protecting yourself by not becoming involved. Leisa has given good advice in your not passing any opinion or blocking my moves. Just email me back to say you have passed on my message to the MD and I cannot touch you. I hope you follow my reasoning Don
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosclarke@egr.com.au
ccLeisa Donlan <ldonlan@rotationalmoulding.com>,"trent. farleigh" <Trent.Farleigh@vanglobe.com.au> Mar 10, 2009 subject don matthews to stephen clarke mailed-bygmail.com
From: Don Matthews APTCIG
To: Stephen Clarke General Manager EGR Water
Dear Stephen,
I have not received confirmation back from you that my email has been forwarded on to your Managing Director. I will wait until close of business on Thursday 12 March. If I have not heard back by then I will interpret your actions as trying to block my investigations into industry recycling claims and include your name along with Leisa Donlan and Trent Farleigh and circulate widely.
Don Matthews
APTCIG
Australian Poly Tank Concerned Individuals Group
"seeking open and honest answers to open and honest questions"
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Monday, March 2, 2009
Waterstore Poly Tanks VIC
Manufacturer
Marong VIC
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>totanks@waterstore.com.au
Mar 3, 2009 Recycling UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Waterstore,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me. I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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fromDoug <doug@waterstore.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>Mar 3, 2009 RE: Recycling UV degraded poly tank
Don,
We recycle scrap plastic and faulty tanks and it gets re ground and made into stock troughs, so its life is extended. Local recyclers would be more than pleased to re use your tank I would think
Kind Regards Doug Bell
Sales & Marketing Manager
WaterStore Poly Tanks
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A careful look at my question tells you I'm wanting to know about a tank which has been out in the sun for 15+years. This is not "scrap plastic and faulty tanks". Why would I be wanting to know about recycling factory scraps and faulty tanks? This should be standard practice anyhow. Once more the myth that degraded plastic can be recycled the same as non-degraded plastic is being perpetrated to keep a greenie customer happy. Have Waterstore ever tried to recycle degraded plastic? The response suggests a belief that degraded plastic can be recycled the same as non-degraded plastic.
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Marong VIC
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>totanks@waterstore.com.au
Mar 3, 2009 Recycling UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Waterstore,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me. I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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fromDoug <doug@waterstore.com.au>toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>Mar 3, 2009 RE: Recycling UV degraded poly tank
Don,
We recycle scrap plastic and faulty tanks and it gets re ground and made into stock troughs, so its life is extended. Local recyclers would be more than pleased to re use your tank I would think
Kind Regards Doug Bell
Sales & Marketing Manager
WaterStore Poly Tanks
----------------------------------------------
A careful look at my question tells you I'm wanting to know about a tank which has been out in the sun for 15+years. This is not "scrap plastic and faulty tanks". Why would I be wanting to know about recycling factory scraps and faulty tanks? This should be standard practice anyhow. Once more the myth that degraded plastic can be recycled the same as non-degraded plastic is being perpetrated to keep a greenie customer happy. Have Waterstore ever tried to recycle degraded plastic? The response suggests a belief that degraded plastic can be recycled the same as non-degraded plastic.
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Global Poly Water Tanks
Manufacturer
Sorell, TAS
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosales@globalcontract.com.au
Mar 3, 2009 Recycling UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Global Poly Water Tanks,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me.
I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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Sorell, TAS
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosales@globalcontract.com.au
Mar 3, 2009 Recycling UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Global Poly Water Tanks,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me.
I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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Tankworld Tasmania
Manufacturer
Kings Meadows, Tas
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosales@tankworldtas.com.au
Tue, Mar 3, 2009 Recycling UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Tankworld Tasmania,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me. I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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fromSales <sales@tankworldtas.com.au> toDon Matthews
<donmatthews7@gmail.com>Mar 4, 2009 RE: Recycling UV degraded poly tank
Hi Don,
Poly is a recycleable product but we haven’t as yet had a poly tank break down to require recycling. All our poly tank have a 10 year warranty but Tankworld have been manufacturing them for around 30 years, so they do last considerably longer than their warranty period. We don’t actually have a projected lifespan for them as even the old ones seem to be lasting well.
Regards,
Dale
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Kings Meadows, Tas
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fromDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>tosales@tankworldtas.com.au
Tue, Mar 3, 2009 Recycling UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Tankworld Tasmania,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me. I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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fromSales <sales@tankworldtas.com.au> toDon Matthews
<donmatthews7@gmail.com>Mar 4, 2009 RE: Recycling UV degraded poly tank
Hi Don,
Poly is a recycleable product but we haven’t as yet had a poly tank break down to require recycling. All our poly tank have a 10 year warranty but Tankworld have been manufacturing them for around 30 years, so they do last considerably longer than their warranty period. We don’t actually have a projected lifespan for them as even the old ones seem to be lasting well.
Regards,
Dale
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Poly Water Tanks
Manufacturer
Fountain Dale N.S.W
Poly Water Tanks is owned by
Rotational Moulders PTY. LTD.
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from Don Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>toinfo@polywatertanks.com.au
Tues 3 Mar 3, 2009 Recycling of UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Polywatertanks,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me.
I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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frominfo@polywatertanks.com.au toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
Mar 5, 2009 Re: Recycling of UV degraded poly tank
Hi
All our tanks are can be recycled.
Regards Chad Pace
Poly Water Tanks
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Post closed
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Fountain Dale N.S.W
Poly Water Tanks is owned by
Rotational Moulders PTY. LTD.
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from Don Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>toinfo@polywatertanks.com.au
Tues 3 Mar 3, 2009 Recycling of UV degraded poly tank mailed-bygmail.com
Dear Polywatertanks,
I notice you manufacture rainwater tanks and wondered if you could help me.
I am thinking of buying a poly tank but would like to know if it can be recycled when it eventually is broken down by sunlight. I would like to think I was doing the right thing by the environment in buying a tank which can be recycled at the end of its life.
Thanks for your help
Don Matthews
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frominfo@polywatertanks.com.au toDon Matthews <donmatthews7@gmail.com>
Mar 5, 2009 Re: Recycling of UV degraded poly tank
Hi
All our tanks are can be recycled.
Regards Chad Pace
Poly Water Tanks
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